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takes the life of the president of poland and his wife. no one else on board survives. and this morning, the people of poland are stunned with grief. we have a live report in just a moment. it is now a grim recovery mission in west virginia. the worst fears about those four missing coal miners comes to pass. hello, everyone.
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i'm alex witt and you're watching "msnbc saturday," where it's 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west and here's what's happening. we begin this hour with the breaking news of the polish presidential plane crashing in western russia, killing the country's president, along with some of the highest military and civilian leaders. that plane went down in heavy fog on approach to the smolensk airport in northern russia. all 69 passengers on board were killed. tom aspell is in london with the latest on this grim news. >> as you say, it crashed in thick fog a mile short of smolensk airport in northern russia and burst in flames. there were no survivors. initial reports suggest pilot error may have been to blame. the pilot was advised to proceed to minsk, but decided to land in smolensk instead. among those killed was polish
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president lech kaczynski and his wife, maria. they were traveling to a memorial service at katyn, where thousands of polish and russian soldiers were murdered by soviet forces in 1940 during world war ii. with the death of president kaczynski, the polish constitution says there should be presidential elections within the next two months. al lx? >> all right. so, tom, let's get to what this does in terms of leaving the country of poland in incredible disarray. with so many from different areas, from the army, the head of the national bank, the president, how much does this disrupt daily life in poland? >> in fact, at an emergency cabinet meeting in poland, the polish head of the lower chamber said this is probably the most catastrophic political event to happen in poland since the second world war, and there's certainly be a great deal of soul searching, first of all to find a new president within the next two months, but also to
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stabilize the economy there as the head of the central bank was also on board that plane that went down and he was killed. so poland looking on two fronts to stabilize politically and economically, especially over the next two month. alex. >> all right, tom aspell there in london. thank you very much. we'll have a lot more on this story at the bottom of the hour. we're going to be speaking with former national security adviser to president carter about the events in poland. rescue teams recovered the bodies of four men missing for almost a week since the devastating explosion in a west virginia coal mine. that discovery brings the death toll to 29, making it the worst u.s. coal mine disaster since 1970. nbc's brian mooar has the very latest from naoma, west virginia. brian? >> reporter: alex, it was the sad ending that many here thought would be inevitable, but they couldn't give up hope with four miners unaccounted for. so four times they went into that mine and had to be chased out because of safety reasons, but late last night, they
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finally made the discovery that these four miners had been in an area where the first rescue workers, monday, just after the explosion, had walked right past in all the dust and fog and confusion. so now they are working on putting together funerals for 29 miners killed in this disaster. it is the worst in 40 years here in the united states, but this is, in this community, just one individual tragedy after another, bringing this small community together in grief. the coroner has asked family members to please go home. they had been gathered nearby at a staging center. now they're being asked to go to their homes, wait for phone calls as the bodies are removed and as the identities are made. but state officials say that this is just the beginning of a very long process. they along with federal investigators have going to be looking into exactly what happened here and how, alex, it can be prevented in the future. >> brian. as much as the sentiments there
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are about grief and sadness, is there any anger right now directed toward the massey energy company, which had 54 violations in the last 12 months with this mine? >> reporter: alex, there is a lot of anger directed at massey energy. there's some family members who in the early hours of this tragedy accused don blankenship, the company's chief, of putting profits over people's lives, but massey has been careful to say that they have been sort of industry average in terms of violations, in terms of citations. they say they're doing what they can to make a very dangerous job a little less dangerous and there are some miners we spoke with who said that it's a dangerous job and there are always going to be citations, but nbc news has uncovered really citation after citation going back over the last ten years that massey energy will have to account for.
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>> brian mooar, thank you very much. investigators in texas are trying to figure out what exactly caused a fiery crash that left an 18-wheeler dangling from an overpass. and here comes that crash. watch the top of your screen, right there. the traffic cameras captured the action. a dump truck hit the back of the semi, which then collided with a pickup truck. the driver of the semi, though, was able to escape the wreckage. only one person suffered minor injuries, which is a relative miracle looking at this. there is a big process underway in the white house this morning as president obama weighs a list of possible nominees to the u.s. supreme court. it follows the resignation of justice john paul stevens, who will step down this summer, after serving more than 30 years on the bench. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins us once again live from washington. pete, good morning. >> alex, good morning to you. >> let's get to a time frame in terms of when we can expect this process to really get rolling. >> well, i would say that they're going to try to use last year as a template. they want to try to have a nominee chosen, probably by,
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say, early to mid-may. that would give the senate time to do all its work and the hope is to have confirmation hearings in july. they'll have to bracket those hearings between the congressional work periods or recess that congress would have in an election year, which this is. so if they don't get i done by july, that would probably mean no hearings until august or september, late august, early september. and that may be too late to get a nominee confirmed in term for the start of the supreme court's term on the first monday in october. indeed, justice stevens said in his letter to the president that he was stepping down now, or at least making his announcement known now that he would leave the term at the end of june in order to give everybody a head start to get this process rolling. >> and within this group of names, there are several judges, even some politicians, pete, in the running, but this isn't a unique field of candidates. all these people we've heard before, does that make the job easier, somewhat, for the president as he had to go
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through this before with justice sonia sotomayor just last year. >> yes, speaking of head starts. because of the fact that they went through the records of many people with such scrutiny last year, they start from that. so they have a running start at this. now, the white house tells us that there are some people we don't know about, but the three leading contenders the white house admits to us are elena kagan, the solicitor general, the justice department's top courtroom advocate, former dean of the harvard law school. and then two federal appeals court judges, diane wood of chicago and merrick garland of washington. now, if the president wants to choose someone who is not a judge, then he could choose someone like janet napolitano, former governor of arizona and the current secretary of homeland security, or jennifer granholm, the governor of michigan. all the supreme court justices now, including justice stevens, came to the court from the federal court. so if he wants to go in a deferent direction, he has some options there as well. and elena kagan would fit that bill too. >> okay. nbc's justice correspondent, pete williams on top of things,
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as always for us. thanks, pete. >> my pleasure. david gregory will have much more on politics, the economy, and national security tomorrow morning on "meet the press." he will be joined by secretary of state hillary clinton and defense secretary robert gates. senators patrick leahy and jeff sessions will also be weighing in with their positions on the supreme court nomination process and it's all tomorrow morning for you on nbc. a new response this morning from the vatican about a new twist in the church's sex abuse scandal. on friday, the associated press reported about a 1985 letter in which the future pope said more time was needed to study the case of a pedophile priest. well, today the holy see's attorney says then cardinal joseph ratzinger told a priest to make sure the priest didn't work while the church worked to defrock him. tiger woods begins the augusta tournament in very familiar territory as woods is in contention for the title. nbc's kerry sanders is in augusta, georgia, for us this morning. so, kerry, tiger not at all
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fazed at all. he's been off five months and you wouldn't know it at all, would you? >> reporter: it's shocking. tiger woods apparently still has what it takes to win here. after two days, he's 6 under par, only two behind the leaders, so it really makes a lot of sense of why all eyes were going to be on that first fairway here at around 2:35 when tiger tees off. tiger woods back. and after two days, playing as if there were never any distractions. >> it's the first time we see him back doing the thing that's made him so famous. >> reporter: the talk here at the masters is no longer the mistresses. rather, it's tiger woods' surprisingly strong performance on the course. after an almost five-month long break from competitive golf. >> he has the uncanny ability to just ignore all the distractions, to focus. he's probably the most focused athlete, mentally, of any other athlete in the world. >> reporter: that focus was evident the first day of play as
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tiger woods said he didn't see the banner plane overhead. everyone else did, but the plane, with its mocking messages, did not return friday after a spot faa investigation. a spokeswoman with the aviation agency says the plane had minor mechanical issues. there are some fans who still have issues with tiger woods' extramarital affairs. >> it absolutely does not erase what he's done, because i still have to explain things to my kids and that really bothers me that i have to do that. >> reporter: her 10-year-old son, davis. >> i just hope he wins. >> he's playing golf. he's the best in the world. and people ought to leave him alone and let him get back to his profession. >> reporter: tiger has been acknowledging fans, signing autographs, shaking hands, and even talking about that ad. >> i want to find out what your thinking was. >> reporter: his late father's voice was clipped from a 2004 interview. >> i want to find out what your feelings are. >> well, i think it's very apropos. i think that's what my dad would
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say. it's amazing how it -- how my dad can speak to me from different ways, even when he's long gone. >> reporter: tiger woods still has 18 holes today and then again on sunday to see where he winds up here. but the sports writers say it appears he's already writing that great american tale -- the comeback story. alex? >> oh, i thought you were going to say the tiger's tale, but you didn't go there. kerry, something about your segment, you spoke, the talk on the green is not about the mistresses, rather about his play, which is exactly what all the pr experts have said he absolutely had to do coming in here. do you think the talk of mistresses is going to very quickly dissipate? are you hearing anything about that these days, as you're kind of eavesdropping on things? >> reporter: of course people are still talking about, but it's not the lead sentence anymore. it's just sort of in the background. in fact, this week, another
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woman came forward claiming that she was a mistress. this was a neighbor's 20-year-old daughter who apparently had had relations with tiger woods. it appears that that is no longer the lead sentence, and the one thing that i hear most people say is just a sense of fatigue. and i think that they're looking for the new twist of the story. but clearly tiger woods and everybody with golf has noted that this stays with him for the rest of his career and the rest of his life. >> sure. >> it is always the footnote, if not the lead. >> yeah, absolutely. kerry sanders, thanks so much. a legendary stadium in texas will soon be a pile of dust to rubble. with the push of a button tomorrow, crews will demolish the old cowboy stadium in irving, which was last used back in 2008. it's going to take more than a ton of dynamite, just one minute to bring that down. we'll bring you the momentous
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msnbc is the place for politics, and in new orleans right now, it is the gop versus president obama as republican leaders and would-be 2012 contenders gather for a third day in new orleans at the southern republican leadership conference. gop chairman michael steele will speak today, making his first public appearance since it was revealed that some rnc money covered a $2,000 tab at a bondage-themed nightclub in los angeles. nbc's michelle kosinski is in new orleans for us. that whole remark is something else we could go to, but we'll stay with this right now. michelle, good morning to you. >> reporter: yeah, hi, alex. never a dull moment here. it's really time for gop rock stars to come out fighting and they did not disappoint this
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crowd of about 3,500 republicans from southern states. you know, they're looking toward midterm election first, where they're hoping not only to gain some seats, but to take back congress. we've been hearing a lot of words like radical, repeal, and phrases like "secular socialist machine" in referring to the obama white house. here's some of the highlights from the speeches. >> it seems to me increasingly clear that there are three prongs to the obama doctrine -- apologize for america, abandon our allies, and appease our enemies. >> the president of the united states, the most radical president in american history, has now thrown down the gauntlet to the american people. he has said, i run a machine, i own washington, and there's nothing you can do about it. >> government overreach did not begin with the obama administration, but it will end
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with the obama administration. >> reporter: these speeches really got the crowd going. there will be more today. sarah palin, of course, was a crowd pleaser. there's been this kind of back and forth between her and president obama. and in the last couple of days, he said in a sort of sarcastic way, well, the last he checked, sarah palin wasn't exactly an expert on nuclear issues, because she's been criticizing his policy. well, yesterday during her speech, she shot back and said, well, with all of obama's vast experience on nuclear policy, there really hasn't been any accomplishment in terms of iran or north korea. that's been a really big theme here. among other themes too that we're seeing emerging, also some slogans emerging that we're also going to hear some more of. also, today, we'll see the results of a straw poll. there have been a lot of attempts to gain support from ron paul, and also mitt romney, who chose not to attend this leadership conference. >> and he is where? he's up in new hampshire, right?
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>> reporter: yeah, he's in a book tour. and tim pawlenty won't be here. so analysts have been looking at that. why didn't they choose to attend? is it because of the lineup of speakers? is it because of certain points of their policy, for example, certain things on mitt romney's book on health care, et cetera, might not set well with this fired up crowd or might draw questions. so plenty of speculation, as always, concerning politics and these issues, but we know that the speeches today will definitely hold people's attention. we're going to hear from haley barbour, other emerging leaders. and even though the straw poll doesn't always indicate who's going to be the front-runners for the nomination for president, the results should be interesting, alex. >> always keep things interesting. thanks very much, michelle kosins kosinski. for more on the conference and the latest from washington, log on to a former producer for the reality show "survivor" is the prime suspect in the murder of his wife during a family vacation in cancun. bruce beresford-redman was
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released from police custody yesterday, but he's been ordered to remain in mexico. meantime, his parents have been granted temporary custody of his two young children. i'm joined now live from washington by investigative crime reporter, michelle sigona. michelle, good morning. >> good to see you. >> good to see you too. bruce beresford-redman says he last saw his wife on sunday, but other hotel guests are saying they heard him arguing with his wife monday night. so inconsistencies? >> there are inconsistencies, and that's the reason they're holding him there, alex, so they'll be able to firm up and weed through a lot of those inconsistencies, take witness accounts, be able to pull surveillance. they'll take fibers from the scene. they'll be able to pull a lot of forensics from her body and complete an autopsy. take some toxicology reports from him, toxicology reports from her body, and to be able to move forward with a full investigation. cancun does want to make sure
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that the folks there are safe. mexico did take a hit, as you know, with the mexican drug cartels and spring breakers were asked to stay away, so they want to be able to make sure that this is a very tidy investigation and to make sure that if he is responsible, and i'm not saying that he is, that they are able to move forward with that process. >> yeah. now, how long can they make him stay in mexico if he's not charged? >> it really depends. it's going to take, you know, a little bit of time here until they complete that investigation. at this point, mexico is up to a pretty good speed to where they can -- they're able to process a lot of that evidence and move forward. so at this time, it doesn't appear that they have enough to hold him specifically and charge him and to put him through the court system. but if they do, it's something that should happen, you know, at a relatively fast pace. if he does come back to the united states, what will happen is that they may issue, if he is guilty, a provisional arrest
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warrant. and from that point, he could fight extradition. so that's why they're trying to keep him down there, until this investigation is done. >> okay. michelle sigona, thank you very much. >> thank you. doctors say this is the worst season for pollen in a long time. but what's causing it? and what can you do to battle the sniffles and sneezes? 3...lift! ha-ha ha ha ha! [ slam! ] [ ding! ] [ chirp! ] [ stomp! stomp! stomp! stomp! ] [ beep! crank! ] [ pop! pop! pop! ] [ ding! ] [ crunch! ] [ girl ] ha-ha ha ha ha! [ clank! fizz! clink! ] it's... time! [ click! click! click! click! ] [ indistinct conversations ] shh! [ girl ] it's on! [ female announcer ] walmart presents "secrets of the mountain." friday, april 16th, 8/7 central on nbc. family movie night is back. with thousands of rollback prices on everything you need. save money. live better. walmart.
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if you suffer from allergies, you don't need us to tell you this spring is proving to be a tough season -- look at that air right there. thanks to harsh winter, many cities are seeing record-high pollen counts much earlier than usual and that's torture to the 47 million americans that suffer from seasonal allergies. here to talk about what people can do is dr. ann matelin. we're darn good to have you, because the sneezing around here has been so difficult. and during our commercial break, you and i were talking. can you ever get rid of allergies? are there people out there that suffering, oh, i just want to
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get rid of this forever. >> well, it takes a little bit of planning, but we actually have something that's 100 years old that's been proven to calm down your allergies. we tune down your immune system by giving you what you're allergic too. by giving it to you in a certain fashion, you'll no longer respond to cat, dog, or pollen. and it receives a little bit of time on your part before the season starts. >> for those people being acutely reminded of it now, what's the best things you can do? >> i use a little acronym called a.r.m., arm yourself against allergies. avoid what you're allergic to. so if it's pollen, don't go out on hot, windy days. keep your windows up. take a shower to rinse yourself off. so the stuff isn't sitting on you. and then medicate.
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and it's really point to get a medical plan that is tailored to you. are you more comfortable using nasal sprays or more comfortable taking a pill? making sure these medications are helpful for you and not causing other problems. >> when you talk about other problems, what other things can happen? can things actually be -- the genesis of it be an allergy and then it makes something else be a compounded problem? >> well, people who are constantly stuffy can end up with sinus infections, ear infections. a lot of people who have chronic congestion have sleep-related breathing disorders. actually, the number one complaint of people who suffer from allergies is congestion. so you're at risk for headaches, at risk for upper respiratory infections. people who are chronically congested up in the nasal passages have trouble breathing down lower in their chest as well. >> and i would imagine some of those people are going to confuse that with allergies. >> it's unfortunate that a lot of people end up going to the local drugstore and trying medications or they'll try to double their medications that
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they're taking to try to get your symptoms under control. and you end up getting no benefit and increased risk of reactions as well. >> so get to see your doctor. and try to see dr. anne mateland. thank you so much. >> absolutely my pleasure. it is a scene of a catastrophe in russia where a plane crash has killed the president of poland and his wife, but what will this mean for one of this country's trusted allies? new mousse temptations by jell-o. ♪ three decadent flavors. 60 calories. it's me o'clock. time for jell-o.
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what kind of disarray does this leave the country of poland with not only the president and their first lady dead, but other prominent leaders there? there was a tremendous delegation. you have the head of national security, the head of the national bank of poland, the head of the army chief of staff. >> well, it's a massive upheaval in terms of the polish government arrangements in terms of the leading personalities of the country. it's a december mags of the leadership. but a pro tem president is already installed. subordinates of the military commanders will be automatically upgraded. but, of course, you cannot compensate for the loss of human talent. these were the top people in all of the major professions. >> and your reaction when you heard must have been shocking, given just the immediacy of a
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plane crash. >> well, my reaction, in a way, was almost centered on the word "katyn," because katyn is such a tragedy in the polish historical psyche. it's the place where the soviets murdered much of the polish intellectual and military elite. thousands and thousands of them. and now this is compounded with this death, because these people were going there to pay homage to the victims in katyn and to engage in reconciliation with the russians. because also many russians were killed by stalin and were buried in katyn. so it was a tragic moment. the mission was tragedy wick it outcome in human sense and political sense was very tragic. >> yes. can you describe the relationship or almost the job descriptions of the polish president versus that of the polish prime minister? >> i think the system is more
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like france or germany. that is to say the president has certain powers, not as much as the french president, but a little more than the german -- but the chief executive officer of the government is the prime minister. and he was not on the trip. >> all right. >> moreover, there is -- primaries because the presidential elections are coming up. and a close associate of the prime minister was designated to be the candidate for the presidency. he happens to be the speaker of the parliament. and therefore, right now, he, in fact, has become the pro tem president of the country. and most likely will run for office in about two months from now and probably will win. >> lech kaczynski, describe him as you know him and the way he is perceived throughout poland and his countrymen.
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>> he was admired for his sense of patriotism and his commitment to independence. he was also controversial because he was the leader of a right of center party, which had some strong views on a number of controversial subjects, social, ethical, abortion, things of that sort. but he was universally respected for his patriotism. and his sense that independence is the most important mission of the country and it's his personal mission as president. so he's very much identified with the recovery of independence by the pols from the soviet domination. his wife was similarly committed and she died with him. >> maria, yes. do you see as being troublesome
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for the relationship in the future between poland and america? >> no. there is general consensus this is the most important relationship for the pols. paradoxically, i think there is one possible change in external relations because of this. and that's reconciliation with the russians. recently, the polish prime minister did not accident, and hemo he more or less acknowledged stalin's responsibility for the crime. but he was a little reticent. but he's now flying to katyn and he will probably be joined there by the polish prime minister, and that, i think, creates a further opportunity for the reconciliation, to become deeper and maybe a little warmer, a little more human. putin's speech a week or so ago was good, but it was rather cold. i think this is a chance for
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kind of a human reconciliation. >> all right, well, zbigniew brzezinski, as we're taking a live look from warsaw outside the presidential palace where mourners are coming to pay their respects, just a very large gathering of flowers and candles is beginning to creep up there. zbigniew brzezinski, former national security adviser to president carter and for our purposes here at msnbc, the father of our good friend and colleague mika, who is on "morning joe," thank you very much for your time and your insights, sir. >> nice to talk with you, alex. >> nice to talk with you too, thank you. meantime, as we stay on top of this story, let's move to this. four men missing for almost a week since the explosion that rocked a west virginia coal mine have been confirmed dead. rescue crews uncovered the bodies of the four miners, bringing the death toll from the devastating blast now to 29. crews and family members had held out hope that the missing members had made it to a safety chamber and sought some refuge there. >> we did not receive the miracle we prayed for. we have accounted for four
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miners that have been unaccounted for. we have a total of 29 brave miners we're recovering at this time. >> and this is the worst coal mining disaster since 1970 when 38 people were killed in a kentucky mine. the next debate in washington may not be over health care or jobs, rather, over the nation's highest court. president obama says he will quickly nominate a supreme court candidate to fill the seat of justice john paul stevens, who announced his retirement early friday. joining me now is diane marie ayman, a law professor at the university of california davis. good morning to you. an early morning out there, just past 6:30. thanks for joining us. >> good morning, alex. >> diane, let's talk about this in terms of the election year. could a controversial choice by the president hurt democrats in the november midterms? >> well, it depends. it would, perhaps, help them with their own base. i suspect that the president
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will be quite wise in his choice. >> okay. wise in what way? wise politically speaking, wise in terms of the best placement for the supreme court, and are those two not necessarily the same thing? >> well, they should be the same thing. the country has been incredibly well served by justice stevens. he has been fiercely independent. he has forged coalitions and become a leader on the court by remaining honest to his own ideals, having impeccable integrity and intelligence and a midwestern sensibility about how to work with people. and i hope and believe that that is the kind of person that the president will be looking for. >> and i'm told that you are writing a book about justice john paul stevens having been a clerk? >> well, yes. i did have the privilege of clerking for justice stevens and i have been researching a book
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and have talked with him a number of times about it and have written a couple of preliminary articles towards that project. >> and tell me about his personality. what was he like outside of the office? i mean, as a clerk, you certainly got to see him there, but spending some time, you'd see him as he was up and leaving and, you know, probably took off those black robes. >> well, he -- i think his favorite guise is a white shirt, a bow tie, and his sleeves rolled up to do his work. the robe only went on as he was going into the courtroom. he is a wonderfully kind man. his intelligence had all of his clerks in awe. but in addition to that, the fact that he worked with us and helped us work through problems and really enjoyed reasoning out problems with him was really wonderful. >> yeah. and talk about your time with
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him. is there something or some way you feel like his influence is still present in your career? is there a way that you felt, you know, a profound experience there from your clerkship? >> absolutely. his standards were incredibly high. i think that all of us have learned that there is a very high bar that we try to work to achieve. he had an approach to cases that was very much a lawyerly approach. we did not work on cases as if it were a case about, say, criminal justice or abortion or any large abstract issue. we really worked about it as a case between the individuals between the -- before the court. and we're taught to keep in mind their needs and the very human consequences of what we were doing. >> sounds like profound lessons learned, indeed. all right, diane marie amann,
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law professor at the university of california davis. i don't know if you're running for president, but if you ever do, good luck. thank you very much. >> thank you. bye-bye. tiger's comeback. has he shaken off all the rust enough to win golf's greatest towner qumt bl there were dead spots everywhere. this is the right stuff. ortho weed b gon max. it kills weeds down to the root. even the tough ones like dandelion and crabgrass. but unlike that other stuff, it won't kill the grass. ortho guarantees it. kill the weeds, not the lawn. weeds, not lawn. got it? yea. ortho weed b gon max. defend what's yours.
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tiger woods will be teeing off this afternoon for round three of the masters tournament. the golf star talked about his return to the game, comparing his near five-month break to that of the late golfer ben hogan, who returned to the game two years after a head-on car collision with a bus in texas. >> it's very similar to what hogan went through, coming off the accident. he just couldn't play that much. and if you can't play, you've got to really concentrate on your practice. >> and joining me now from augusta, georgia, is dave dusek, deputy editor for with a good morning, dave, what do you make of his comparison to hogan >> i think it's pretty
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appropriate, to be honest with you. tiger hasn't had an opportunity, for very different reasons than hogan, to play golf and practice, but he's making the most of his time. it's worth being noted after hogan made his return, he was able to win three major championships, a pretty amazing feat considering the guy's legs were crushed in that car accident. tiger is basically saying, i haven't had an opportunity, like a lot of the other players, to compete. we didn't think he was very tournament tough, but he's showing us otherwise so far here at augusta. >> so, okay, and if you look at tiger's play right now, i know you and i talked many times over these last few months that the way tiger put this scandal behind him is to get out there and play. are you surprised he's coming back this strong? >> well, i think a little bit, but i think a lot of it has to do with the environment. i mean, i had an opportunity to walk 18 holes with tiger woods on monday morning, and i can tell you right from the get-go, the crowd was very respectful, there hasn't been a single instance inside the gates of augusta national of anybody
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calling out, saying anything derogatory, making any jokes. i don't expect that's going to happen. the rousing applause he's getting at every tee box, every fairway, the card from the little girl along the fairway yesterday is very symbolic of the support he's been getting here. and as we mentioned, this is the ideal place for tiger woods to stage his comeback, for a lot of reasons. and we're seeing the result of that. this is the soft landing spot, the club has been supportive, and he's been playing fantastic so far. >> how has he been dealing with the media in your mind? >> i think that he's handled it principle well. there were a couple of places where he could have given us a little bit more detail in his press conference on monday, but there are certain things we'll have to accept that he is never going to -- or very, very reluctantly is going to share with us. we're not going to get anymore detail about the car crash, probably not get anymore detail about the therapy-type situations, but he has been a little bit more respectful, i think, on the golf course, tipped the hat a few more times. pointed to some patrons, gave
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them a smile. pretty easygoing with the guys he was playing with, matt kuchar and k.j. choi over the first few days. i think he realizes he needs a heck of a lot of help at this point. so he's trying to do subtle little things that hopefully over time for him will build into an improved image. >> do you think we're seeing the tiger of old? and do you think this new and improved tiger, if you will, is here to stay? >> well, i think the new and improved tiger is at least going to be attempting to be here to stay. tiger understands he can't do a lot of club throwing or use foul language on the golf course and i don't think we're going to see that, certainly, if we do, for a long, long time. he's going to be making a conscious effort to do that. in terms of the performance on the golf course, i think the old tiger seems to be here at augusta, at least. he's not going to win every single week, but nobody does that. he's not perfect, as we know, far from perfect in a lot of ways. but this was a mental challenge for him and so far he seems to be passing it. the physical challenge, we knew, his leg, his knee has been operated on three times, the left knee seems to be totally
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fine, the achilles tendon, which he told us in the press conference he'd had some problems with that. that seems to be fine. he's compartmentalizing this mentally very, very well and he's only two shots off the lead with 36 holes to go. >> thanks so much. we'll look for more reports later. it's a growing population behind bars. they are children born to women inmates. but what are prisons doing to help these children? finally, what i love is what my skin needs.
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a stark look at a trend that's growing. nbc news has teamed up with essence magazine to take a closer look at mothers raising their babies in prison. currently nine prisons allow nonviolent offenders who give birth in prison to keep their babies with them up to 18 months. >> reporter: ohio's prison is also home to those found guilty of no crimes -- these nine babies. their mothers are inmates. >> i'm here for theft.
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>> reporter: when takia patterson got here she was six months pregnant and scared. she had left behind her 2-year-old daughter and thought she'd have to part with the baby she was carrying next. >> i didn't know what was going to happen, my child was going to go to foster care. >> reporter: he didn't. at ohio's prison, takia had access to the nursery program at the prison, allowing inmates with short sentences to raise their infants until they are a year old. now her cell mate's 7-month-old son, hakeem. >> they need to be with their mothers, whether it is in prison or not. >> ladies, good morning. how does a woman get into this nursery program which seems to be so beneficial for everyone? >> well, first of all, they have to be pregnant when they're sentenced. they have to give birth in prison. if a woman is sentenced and already has children,
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unfortunately she is not eligible. non-violent offenders with relatively short sentences, the idea being in most cases they'd be released with their babies. and no history of any violent abuse or child abuse or anything like that. >> we're seeing a rise in the numbers of women having to deal with this situation. why is that? >> the numbers of women in prison is up 800% over the last 30 years. it is mainly due to property crimes and drug offenses. property crimes being things like theft, forgery. it was a lot that we visited the prison. a lot of women were there for crimes related to their kind of economic situation and also drug sentencing. >> wendy, i'm curious what kind of effect this program might have especially among african-american women who are i'm told three times more likely to face incarceration. >> yeah. there are more african-american women increasingly getting into prison these days. what we wanted to look at at "essence" specifically is to see how thee programs are helping these women after they leave. we've noticed when the women
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have bonded with their children, they tend to once they're finished their sentence stay out of jail. >> that's great! >> it is really having a positive effect on the women who are in these programs able to bond with their child, able to learn about parenting skills and take those skills once they leave and continue to newer nurture and mother their children. >> this is not present in every prison out there. >> it is not. we're seeing basically these programs work so more and more prison are looking to see whether they should incorporate these programs in their facilities. >> what needs to be done to get this as part of the routine situation in any prison? >> i think prisons just need to see that the program is working. it doesn't cost as much to keep a child in prison as one might think, and so if the program is working, if these women are actually taking the skills that they need to become better mothers and not allowing their children to go into foster care or being with a relative once they're serving their time, it just makes sense. prisons should look at this in a
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positive way. >> this is really a silver-lining story. >> one of the concerns that comes up with this is where does the department of corrections responsibility begin and end when it comes to prisoners. it may be beneficial to the prisoners, but is that the responsibility of the department of corrections to help them bond with their children? that's a significant question. >> let's talk about that question and potential answers to that in our next segment. see you in a couple hours. thanks, ladies, so much. wendy and mara. for more stories on this important issue, "mothers behind bars." it was a plane that crashed carrying the president of poland and his wife along with other top polish leaders. this morning it looks like weather may have played a major role in this tragedy.


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